August 6, 2007

  • Diminishing
    Over the past few years I've been tracking an interesting attitude I've been sensing in our society. If it's happening or not I don't know, but as I look over my life I think there is ample evidence of the veracity of the phenomenon. When I lived in Guatemala it became clear to me the culture there had an entirely different attitude toward the elderly. As I've not collected any scientific data concerning this concept this whole point of view is subjective. Of course, this doesn't mean it's not so. It only means I can't prove it in court. You be the judge. There weren't a lot of old age homes in Guatemala. Actually, I never really saw many in any of the countries of Latin America I visited. Parents and grandparents lived with their children. At first I thought it was because they were too poor to have a choice. Something I've come to think is an American point of view, but not exclusively. I'm confident there are other finance based cultures share the concept. They all had to live together. But the more I got involved with families in a personal way the more I began to see a bond of love and respect which has become rare in our country. One somewhat crude way to define what I'm talking about is, if we can't screw then you're not much value to me. It's not just an age based prejudice but it seems to be related more to physical appeal.

    As I've matured my tastes have changed. There's a sexual taboo about older people being in relationships with people many years younger. Think about dirty old men for a minute and you'll get the idea. Of course, now we've got a rash of female high school and junior high school teachers having sexual trysts with their students. It's a little more okay for an older woman to have sex with a younger male. Women don't seem to appear as predatory in the collective unconscious of America. How many people think twice about talking to little boys and little girls in stores these days because of the perception that adults are sexually preying on children? I'm not arguing for or against what people feel they need to do to protect their children in our society. I'm speaking of the differences I've noted over the years. More people appear to be more uptight than once they did. Of course I'm speaking in general as it's pretty silly to try to be specific about a population as large as that of the United States of America. Advertisers target age groups. We've got Dennis Hopper pitching my generation about investments and retirement. Cadillac plays music of the sixties in one of their car ads aimed at the Baby Boomers.
    It's no secret cereal and game makers pitch the younger crowd. It's a multi-billion dollar market and we're all about the money.

    Turning sixty recently found me noticing how much I'd diminished in the eyes of the majority of Americans. I'm an old guy for sure now. And yes, I feel marginalized. It's okay for a guy in his fifties to have a midlife crisis and run off with some chick half his age but it's not okay for the blue pill people. Though if you believe the drug companies it appears men are encouraged to start thinking about male performance sometime just after twenty or so. My whole idea about male performance and making love has been transformed. eHarmony.com makes me laugh out loud. But not quite as much as the idea that someone would be willing to pay ten dollars for a Viagra tablet. All my life I've enjoyed a good relationship with the elderly. My paternal grandfather was a great friend and hero from my earliest recollection. I loved spending time with him, listening to stories and marinating in his loving wisdom. Perhaps I'm a treasure hunter at heart. But my interest isn't in gold but rather the wisdom and gentleness that can come with maturity if one does it properly. Come to think about it I'm probably about the age my grandfather was when I fell in love with him. I love him still. I learned more good from him than I ever did from his son and remain grateful to this day. The elderly rock!

Comments (19)

  • you touched on so many things i hardly know where to begin...and now being eligible for senior discounts myself, well...i'll just leave it at that...
    ds

  • If Led Zeppelin is being used to market cars to the elders, then yes, the elders rock.

  • What kills me is that many insurance companies will pay for the little blue wonderpill, but won't pay for things like female hormone therapy. So apparently the insurance companies want guys to be able to perform, whether women that age have the hormones to enjoy it or not. LOL

    My paternal grandmother did more good for me than my father ever did.

    I think that most cultures other than ours have respect and honor thier older people, for thier knowledge, and for their experience. We don't, for the most part. I'm not sure why that is, but it's something I've noticed myself.

  • well i'd be happy to put you up in my house, you wise geezer, you.  also did you know that i'm 8 years older than chuck?  preying on the young--i do it every day.  ok, not every day (especially since the baby arrived), but at least once a week!

  • The elderly do rock. I too see the differences in how we treat our elderly. Its disgusting really. Every day you hear of abuse from their relatives or from a home. Its sick. We dont value the elderly here and we should. (my definition of eldery is definetely over 80, old folks arent so old anymore)

  • treasure hunter is so true. In all my time with my grandparents and other people of the 60+ group (now as well as in the past) have such knowledge...I always felt like I was basking in the wisdom that they had(have). I know you have so much to impart and it bothers me to read you say "Turning sixty recently found me noticing how much I'd diminished in the eyes of the majority of Americans." and yet I know it is true there are so many people that don't see the learning that could be going on for them if they would just listen and be silent and be still.

  • My elderly father, now 80, moved in with me a little over a year ago.  His presence in my home has given me a sense of purpose that I haven't felt  in many years.  It's interesting to watch how he handles his declining abilities, but he's a real trouper, and I feel very lucky that he chose to live with me.  Many people have no choice about having to live in nursing homes.  Sometimes their ill heath necessitates that they receive round-the-clock care, and sometimes there is no family with whom they can live. 

  • I gotta agree with ya there, I love old people, when I retire I plan to volunteer in some way which lets me be with them.  Other than the old dude at work who wont be quiet, that is I think society today does not respect or care for the elderly, they are throw aways, it makes me sick.  I was always taught to respect my elders and I do so still!  You are my favorite old dude tho, and I bet you have some tricks up  your sleeve to keep your sex life going at any age.

  • Yesterday, I met with a retired football coach at the gym. He's pretty advanced in age, but mentally sharp and really fun. He knows lots of awesome stuff about lifting weights and fitness from all his years coaching and teaching weight training...
    I got the most awesome workout ever! He introduced me to probably 30 people yesterday and isn't even hitting on me a little bit. He's married and just a regular nice guy. The nice thing is that no one looked at us funny because the whole town calls him coach and no one was surprised to see him helping a young person. It was awesome. We're meeting at the other gym in town tomorrow morning to work out and meet more people

  • Umm, did you just call yourself elderly?!  That's funny. My dad is 72 (or is it 71? Damn, I'm getting early onset Alzheimers, I swear).  Anyway, he's far from elderly. He looks 10 years younger, at least, and is more active than I am. He's finally retiring in a few weeks.   With people living longer now, I think you have to be at least 85 before you start qualifying as "eldery". 

  • RYC:  I'm not sure I adhere to any belief system, whether it incorporates luck or otherwise.  I've given a great deal of thought to your notion of awakening, but I've yet to conclude what to make of it.  I am still pondering it, though. Seriously.  The "tarot cards" are for meditation purposes only.  I put no stock in them other than for that.  It's just something to think about.

  • I am at work so I don't have time to go into why your post has touched me, I will do that later at home.  But I just want to say thank you. Thank you for saying what has been on my mind and for saying it so well.  I will write a post tonight asking my friends to go to your site to read this, they are very strong words.

    thank you James, I wish there were more men out there like you.

  • If you fell in love with your grandfather at this age.. then you can fall in love with you too.
    Bright Beautiful Blessings Chel

  • I know the Koreans are much the same as you experienced.  My cousin married a girl from Korea and she was horrified to learn we put our elderly out... into nursing homes and what not.  In their culture, you cared for the elderly as they once cared for you. 

    Me?  I actually had my mom move in with me.  I expect she's here to stay.   :)

  • Years ago my parents took us kids to a museum that had a display of a mummified woman and a mummified owl perched beside her.  She was discovered entoumbed in a cave somewhere in Colorado (from my recollection).  I was very young - probably under 10 when we visited that display.  One of the conjectures was that she may have been considered a witch by her tribe (it was Indian territory) and was banished to care for herself, or that she had become a burden on the tribe due to ill heath (needed too much care), or that she just wandered off to die on her own.  It was thought that the owl was her pet.  That vision haunted me - evoked amazing dreamscapes for several years.  Even now, nearly 50 years later, I cannot forget it.  Some people put a great deal of stock in geneology and tracing their roots, and reverencing their ancestors.  It's mystifying.

  • Older people have gained wisdom and patience if they lived life well and learned along the way. Older is wiser in so many ways yet it doesn't have to be "the end" of a sexual relationship. OK, gone may be the lust, the over-the-top passion of days of yore, strip off your clothes and DO IT someplace, most likely a place that most would consider taboo, possibly the ocean  or an orange grove (ahem!); but those crazy moments have been replaced by genuine intimacy, which is what we learn serves us best, and is what you have when you make love to someone, and don't rush the process. Intimacy is what our grandparents give us, as well. They share the love, the intimate moments of their lives with us to ensure that connections do not fade from our personal histories. They bond with us so we can savor that relationship, especially when we happen to have parents who are disicplinarians, deeply troubled and deeply flawed. Grandparents, uncles and aunts, great uncles and aunts, are part of what keeps us glued together to help us make our way and share our shining moments. Without them we would be much the poorer in so many respects.

  • You know, I am relieved to be aging.  It means life is slowing down a little, and I don't worry so much about if someone else is watching.  Who gives a toss?  The elderly can be wise and a soft place for the young to curl up with a book or hear a story or song, or just snuggle up and nap.  But if someone is a selfish and mean person in youth, just aging will not improve them.  One must choose to be a lover of others.  But I have thought much about how we truly reap what we sow in this life.  Yes, we are often blessed when we don't deserve it, too.  But overall, if we spend our lives injuring others for our own pleasure, we will probably die alone and empty.  So, loving others and giving of ourselves to the needy and weak of the world is also a gift we give ourselves, ultimately...and the joy of sharing and loving blesses the giver as much as the receiver.

    P.S. Are you still teaching guitar to the neighbor girl?

  • I agree with you that the elderly in our society have been marginalized. For that matter, so has the family.  It seems to be more about the going and doing, striving to make the kids perform well and no time to be with the elder generation.  In my case, I moved away from the area in which my parents lived due to a stressful relationship with my mother.  When the grandsons came along, there wasn't much of an increase in interaction. The road only goes one way between our homes. So my sons didn't have much to do with their maternal grandparents. I see the pattern repeating in my sister's family.  She is not much involved with her daughters and their families. That's as much due to her choices as her children's.   I hope to be closer with my sons and their families then the patterns I've witnessed within the rest of our family.  I have a better relationship with my sons then I did with my own parents- not hitting will do that, I suppose. Blessings abound

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