July 18, 2007

  • Them
    The last time I wrote here I said, People sometimes get annoyed with me. A dear Kiwi friend commented, Hmmm.  You've mentioned many times about people getting annoyed with you.  I even remember in the early days of xanga SEEING people get annoyed with you.  You don't annoy me.  Weird.  On paper you should. I never bothered asking her what she meant by, On paper you should. I guess I didn't want to know. Wouldn't you know it? Here I am mentioning it again. The truth is I'm not quite as arrogant as I may sound. Not quite as self-absorbed as it may appear. Actually I didn't realize I'd mentioned it so many times. I figured I only mentioned it about one out of every thousand or so times people got annoyed with me. But today I was thinking about it while talking to an acquaintance of twenty-five years. We're about the same age. People about the same age often have a lot in common. A kind of era perspective is shared between them that others of a different era don't understand as readily. He was moaning about genetically altered food and traffic here in the San Diego area. Peter Sellers, in the moving Being There used to say, I like to watch. For me it's more I like to listen. So, I listened. He finally started talking about them. You know who they are. The people who are not like us. He was talking about how limited people are in their awareness of their world. That they think they're like us. They think they're aware. He talked a lot about them and how different they are from us. Because I like to listen I did just that. But then I ruined it all in a moment. Isn't that just like me? Rather than keep my mouth shut and appear to be a fool I have to open it and remove all doubt.

    At this point I hope you're interested in knowing what I opened my mouth to say because I'm going to tell you. I looked at him and said, Bob, (because that's his name) the problem isn't that they think they're like us. The problem is that we think we're not like them. We think we're more aware, more conscious, more alert, more intelligent. But we're not. Actually, that's what they think about themselves. The truth is we're all pretty much alike on this planet. Oh, there are some differences, but they're not important enough to make a big distinction between us and them. Well, Bob got a look on his face. So, I asked him if I'd annoyed him. He said it wasn't exactly annoyed but he hadn't thought about it like that before. Or at least not in a long time. Bob didn't have a lot of resistance to the idea that we were all pretty much the same here. That's unusual in my experience because mostly we're an extremely arrogant species. But if you were standing on the rim of the Grand Canyon looking down at a group of people on the floor of the Canyon, the difference in their height wouldn't amount to a hill of beans from up there. You couldn't really tell if they were young or old, male or female, short or tall, fat or skinny from that vantage point. My point is that we're all so much alike here it's just plain silly to get annoyed with one another because of some extremely minor differences in manifestation. Some folks are light and some are darker. Some boys like boys, some boys like girls and some boys like peaches. Really, there's not a lot about which to get annoyed, upset, angry or deadly. Yet we do. We get downright deadly with one another about these little differences between us and them.

    So, what is it I'm suggesting? That it's okay for people to molest children or peaches? Nope. What I'm suggesting is that we don't have to get so upset about it. It's not going to change anything. In fact, the historical evidence suggests it only makes matters worse. Aberrant behavior has been with us for a very long time and will likely be with us for many years to come. There are some things we can do about it and then there's all the rest. Most of it falls into the all the rest category. Perhaps creating the force of understanding within ourselves would help us to do something about it that would actually work. Maybe not. But really, think about it. Wouldn't it be better for everyone if we took a little more time to try to understand each other rather than spend so much time picking out the differences between us and them? Can we not see that when we do that they always come up on the short end of the stick? Has that kind of thinking and the resultant behavior ever led to good things for our species? Of course, there are going to be exceptions, but in general, isn't that kind of habitual, automatic thinking problematic? I'm suggesting that by thinking more about the us and them mindset we might be able to create a bit more understanding in ourselves and thereby give us the opportunity to make a contribution to solving the problem rather than just pointing it out and moaning about it. Sound like too much trouble? Well, it probably is a lot of trouble, but it just might be with the effort.

Comments (15)

  • It would be really nice if we all just lived to the best of our ability and not worried about 'them'. If we accepted 'them' as 'us' we may actually start living the way we would like 'them' to.

  • Great topic  James and  to the point "The us and them mindset"

    Upon just a moments reflection  I can recall I often have that perspective ...And don't normal wake up to recognize the deep unconsciousness that it reflects.  In just such a way as an alarm clock goes off at a certain point in time.  I intentionally maintain a collection of models   that are something like egoic recognition programs...for want of a better term. Using these like wake up calls....every now and then ...I can begin to observe my minds operation and  let go of  identification with it...or perhaps get closer to waking the f..k up from god know how long I have been... Lost in my head, mired in temporal thought and 'dead' to reality...

    Thank you very much James "The us and them mindset"  Is being... added to list

    Hopefully I won't need a rock to pound it in

    Doug

  • "We have seen the enemy, and he is us."
    You do say that people will get annoyed with you, quite a lot. I remember annoyed people, back in the day. We get annoyed with anyone we disagree with, or don't understand, or don't care much about. You'd have to really work at it to annoy me.

  • I think when it really comes down to it, everyone just wants to be loved and appreciated and accepted as they are. There's really not much more to the whole human experience. Connectedness is the goal, but most humans go around looking at disconnectedness. Focusing on the lack rather than the goal isn't very productive.

  • Good point, I think people may get annoyed because they dont like or agree with what you may of said, no reason to be annoyed in my opinion.  In fact this came at a perfect time, I am annoyed with someone right now, but my annoyance is surely not going to change their behavior, so I am trying to not be annoyed.

  • We spend a lot of time trying to get rid of tribalism, but it took millions of years for us to develop it as a survival mechanism. So it's kinda hard. Can we all, like, evolve right now or something? That'd be the easiest. Nirvana is just a gene splice away...

  • a very grounding thought for me to ponder at a very apropos time. thanks.

  • I always think of that spot it you got it adage...like my older sister doesn't help my mom...maybe I'm jealous that I dont' care enough about myself to say...I need you to do more or maybe I see in her the me I want to be...maybe I get angry at people because it confuses me that they don't think like me...because after all the them in us...anyway...my mind is full and this blog was written by you for us...them...you know what I mean...like a mirrored image maybe...I think you were right pointing out that to your friend...after all he was no more accepting than them...that spot it you got it...lol...have a great evening and thanks for the thoughts...huggs...Sassy

  • Thank you for thinking of me.. reading that was a really sweet moment for me - an unexpected gift. It's lovely to be thought of. I love you too James.

  • ryc: i thought poe was a bear fond of honey

  • Takes me back to Walt Kelly's "Pogo"   "We have met the enemy and he are us."

    Laid back and listening.

  • Good thought and I agree to a certain degree. Sometimes there's good reason to get annoyed but like you said it usually only makes things worse in the long run but I still reserve the right to get annoyed if it's really warranted. I'm not one to judge others really b/c I don't feel that's my job in life. I'm a Christian so I feel that's God's place to do that but some peeps make it hard to hold onto that thought. Anyway-I think your perspective is interesting and good to a certain point as I mentioned.

  • Well, I think we agree on a number of things. My thought is that you are like the people in my "tuesday" group. We hate trivial chit=chat and try to be "politically incorrect" as we share ourselves. The older I get the more I see the cycles of society fighting the same problems today at they did ten years ago, twenty years ago, thirty years ago, forty years ago. . .

  • I catch my self being those people of whom you post and am appalled when I catch myself because I wonder how much preceded the awareness that I missed. It is worth the effort. It is also a way to be that will hopefully cultivate an awareness in others who are also experiencing the same mechanistic reaction.  I always hope, anyways.  Blessings abound

  • I guess most of the time when I think of "us" vs "them" it brings to mind the counter-culture movement of the 60s when "them" meant the establishment.  Even now, approaching my mid-50s, I still feel a profound sense of disgust with "authority figures and law makers" who bend the rules to exempt themselves from the very government they created, but which we are forced to endure.  And somehow, I don't think that's what you are referring to at all, but that's my take on it.  (Don't know how I missed this post.  I'm remiss!)  LOL

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